Sound Blaster

[IBugUNot]

Creative's so called intellectual property (I don't recognize such laws as being constititional) is stolen.  Stolen from the various companies that they bullied and bankrupted through numerous abuses of the court system.

[Prostate]

The posts in this thread are very reminiscent of Ron Paul campaigners.

Here they are... with a completely credible message and a completely credible candidate... destroyed by complete immaturity and overzealousness of refusing to understand how the world actually works. 

[Irate_Consumer]

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copyright_rules wrote:

While I agree that CL could have handled this issue in a more discreet and professional manner, I wholeheartedly support their right to enforce their right to protect their copyrights, licenses, & trademarks.

All I see in these replies is a bunch of whiny crybags who think everything created is free. (I bet almost all the media on your computers--software, music, movies, etc.-- was pirated.) Listen people, most corporate business in this country and the rest of the free world is based on LAWS which protect proprietary information. If we did not have these laws, business would descend into unmanageable chaos.

Want to know what it's like to be able to copy everyone else's ideas for free?? Go live in third world country! Then you will find out what it's like.

How would you like it if I visited some of your blogs, made copies of your pages and posts, and started posting them as my own, claiming I own them and have improved them, and trying to be compensated for it? You would cry foul as soon as you found out. Yet, most of you are saying it's ok to take others' copyrighted and trademarked ideas.

Creative could have handled this better, but they have every right to do what they are doing. It is FEDERAL LAW.

GET A CLUE PEOPLE: Protecting their intellectual property is much more valuable to them then worrying about if you douchebags are ever gonna buy one of their soundcards again. So stfu and let this forum be what it's supposed to be.

Message Edited by copyright_rules on 03-30-2008 08:34 PM

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Who needs to pirate when you have the open source community. Which by the way is gaining market share faster than monopolies at the moment. So do yourself a favor don't jump to conclusions that just because the consumer wants the company to live up to their claims, that they are pirating software. In that same vain, I guess that makes you Bill Gates lover, huh.

Also Federal law also has the "Truth in Advertising" clause which was violated by Creative by not offering support and functionality even though it was advertised as being able to work with Vista, which apparently it does not.

 

[beamray]

Ramakandra:

You are being abusive, insulting, and ill mannered, but I wonder if you will get banned.  My guess is creative would sooner NOT ban you, even though you ARE out of line and offensive.  You sound like a company tool. 

[benmharvey]

I have 4 PC's in my household using Daniel_K's drivers because after 2 months of so called Creative support they could not fix my issue not only did they waste 2 months of my time they made me format my PC twice in the end there solution was to purchase a CD that is finally when i stopped my contact with them because i was going around in circles

Then i find people had simialr issues and Daniel_K's drivers fixed them i now have 4 working PC's using Daniel_K's drivers and you say he is doing the wrogn thing by you, it seems like he is doing the right thing to your consumers, i doubtful i will ever purchase creative again

[Zeratul256]

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DeepSix wrote:

Unfortunately some people are ruining this thread. The feedback concerning the words of Phil O'Shaughnessy as posted by Dale-CL and the actions taken are what should be focused on. I've used Creative soundcards dating back to the SB AWE32. I'm outraged at Creative's business practices and their actions but there's a difference between showing displeasure and going overboard.

The people who are posting the torrent and download links for the drivers made by Daniel_K aren't contributing anything positive to this thread. They just give Creative a valid reason to delete the thread. Would it be a shock if they delete the thread soon? No. But if the thread was just people saying they won't do further business with Creative then Creative is in the wrong regardless of the fact that they have the right to delete threads. With the people posting the download links for the drivers they are just handing Creative a completely valid excuse to nix the thread. It was completely unnecessary and plain dumb to post those links.

I hope Creative sits down very soon and begins doing damage control. My opinion of Creative isn't likely to change but their response could very well make or break them with many consumers. To ignore this situation and move on would be unwise. To overreact would also be unwise. They need to step up, admit their mistakes, admit that they knowingly and intentionally ripped off consumers, and live up to the promises of the features listed for their products.

The ball is in your court, Creative. You can either make score a touchdown or you can fumble. It's up to you.

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Finally another poster who has common sense. I back up his words completely.  My thread: Threadssz

[robertmc8]

I might have stop making my youp pax drivers anyway drivers are bad as it is I never can fix the SPDIF output it's all ways grey out on my xfi music card.  I'm taking a break for now to this cools off. I might be force get turtle beach sound next

[R3ap3R]

C'mon dude.. .that's enough; giving us a bad name with all the spam... just stop.

[Go2HellCreative]

Shame on you, Creative Labs, shame shame shame on you. I've been disappointed by Creative products as of late, and this posting has convinced me to never NEVER purchase a Creative product ever again.

Thank you, Daniel_K, for providing a service to folks like myself who have been, and still are, getting ripped off by Creative.

[YouAREKidding]

Copyright,

I have no issue with what Creative asked Daniel to do.  What I do have, and what most people here have an issue with is that Creative is NOT supporting it's products to the thousands of customers who have bought their products, expecting them to work, only to have them find that they don't do what they say. 

There are laws against that, too.

But, the biggest law being shown here today is the law of averages.  You can BS some of the people all the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.  The people, i.e., customers, and now former customers of Creative, will go elsewhere.  Yeah, not too many places to go, but enough, and places like M-Audio and others will benefit from Creative's lack of concern, and their average will drop..average number of customers, average stock value, average rating in the minds of consumers.

Imagine what would happen if 10%, just 10% of the people who will read about this, be in a store somewhere, see someone about to buy a Creative Labs product, and say to that potential customer. "If you have Vista, Creative has non-functioning drivers for it, there was a guy who created a Modified driver, but Creative made him stop distributing it, and there are still no workable drivers for Vista."  Some people might laugh at him, but the majority of computer perhiperal buyers don't know squat, and if they hear it from someone who presents themselves in a knowledgeable manner, they may actually think twice about it.  Creative loses another sale.

So, yes, Daniel may very well have stepped on some copyright rules, and Creative had the lawful option of doing what they did.  Score 100 on the law, score minus several millions for not doing the job themselves in the first place, and putting someone like Daniel in a position where he had to do what he did, just to get the customers of this company happy.

By the way, by the end of the week, I expect Creative Tech stocks to be pennies on the $4 or so it's trading at now.  Who knows, in time, people might actually forget all of this.  Imagine investing $500 in Creative 'penny stock' and see if they can pull themselves out if it, you might actually make some money....in a lifetime or two.

Y.A.K.